we'll say, well, we'll raise the debt ceiling, delay implement takes of obamacare. >> we mean kabal in the nicest sense of the world. >> megyn: and they're washing the windows behind you and viewers are wondering what the ropes are behind you. >> maybe some republican trying to escape, i don't know what it is, but the reality they're in a bad position and don't have a lot of good options and you have to be creative when you don't have good options, that's just the deal. and so, yes, something like, we'll accept the debt ceiling for as long as you're willing to hold obamacare in abeyance. the president is not going for that. here is what they know, they have to have something on offer, because they got creamed on the tax issue, nothing on offer, no chips in the game. they had extension of tax rates, but they weren't passing anything, sitting around and pounding the table and weren't saying this is what we have. now it's up to john boehner and his team to coax out of this conference, who is very skeptical of him because of the deal he did on the tax rates and they look at him askance and